Spoilers for No Time to Die.

Last month, British broadcaster Simon Mayo in a broadcast had a spoiler discussion with film critic Mark Kermode about No Time to Die. Mayo, as part of the chat, claimed that James Bond is not a fantasy.

MAYO: Batman's fantasy, isn't it?...Bond isn't fantasy and Batman is fantasy.

Kermode attempted to talk Mayo down from that notion. "Daniel Craig in Casino Royale is not playing the same character that Sean Connery was playing in Dr. No."

Of course, back in 2006, Eon Productions said it was starting the Bond series over with Daniel Craig. Most Bond fans got that and Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson of Eon made clear the series had begun all over.

Casino Royale's "Bond begins" approach came a year after director Christopher Nolan helmed a Batman movie where the Dark Knight began again. By now, the approach is old hat for Batman.

Still, Mayo said that notion doesn't apply for Bond.

Still, Bond isn't fantasy?

A few examples:

--Casino Royale (novel): Bond smokes 70 cigarettes a day and a lot of alcohol.

--Dr. No (novel): Bond kills the villain by burying him in bird guano.

--Goldfinger (novel): The villain actually intends to steal all the gold from Fort Knox. When the novel was turned into a movie, the plot became detonating an atomic bomb inside Fort Knox.

--You Only Live Twice (novel): The villain constructs a "garden of death" to entice suicide-inclined Japanese to kill themselves.

--You Only Live Twice (film): A villain's base inside a volcano and a giant magnet used by the Japanese Secret Service to whisk enemy cars away and drop them in the bay. Don't forget the "intruder missile" that captures space capsules.

--Live And Let Die: Gas pellets that cause an opponent to expand and explode.

--The Spy Who Loved Me: A tanker that can capture submarines.

-- Moonraker: A space station that can launch deadly globes that can wipe out millions of people.

But Bond, a fantasy? Of course not.

This all began when I put a few tweets referring to Mayo as Kermode's "sidekick." I stand corrected. But few, if any, who objected to my referring to Mayo as a sidekick defended his actual position. They mostly were upset about use of the term sidekick.

Anyway, the video of the Kermode-Mayo exchange is below. The "fantasy" debate starts after the 3:00 mark.